Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Clube

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The result was Keep. WP:SNOW and Non admin close. Szzuk (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

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Fails WP:BIO in WP:AUTHOR, WP:PROF, and WP:ATHLETE. jps (talk) 18:44, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Speedy Keep - Dean of the Astrophysics Department of Oxford University alone is notable. ShoesssS ^Talk 18:54, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• • But we don't have any independent verification of this. Incidentally, there is no Astrophysics Department at Oxford. jps (talk) 15:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• Roger Davies (astrophysicist) is currently head of astrophysics at Oxford, which is part of the Department of Physics. There are a few reliable sources pointing to Clube's association with astrophysics at Oxford, but I haven't been able to verify that he was Dean. -Location (talk) 15:31, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
• There isn't currently a department of astrophysics at Oxford, but physics at Oxford has undergone several reorganisations over the years. I can't find any reliable evidence that Clube was ever head of any department at Oxford, however. Deans at Oxford are college posts (see Dean (education)#United Kingdom) and are not a marker of WP:notability (apart perhaps from the Dean of Christ Church who is the Head of House). Qwfp (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep, he also played seventeen first-class cricket matches, which also makes him notable. Harrias ^talk 16:15, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• WP:NCRICKET seems to indicate otherwise. Just because it was a first-class cricket match does not mean it was a "major match". jps (talk) 16:19, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
  • WP:NCRICKET is poorly written, but the intention of the phrase "major cricket" is to blanket cover all first-class, List A and Twenty20 cricket. Harrias ^talk 06:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep - The nominator states the article fails WP:ATHLETE, but it seems has failed to check out WP:CRIN. His appearances in first-class cricket matches (which are considered major cricket, be it county or university level in England) ensures the articles notability. PinchHittingLeggy (talk) 19:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

It is absurd to say that every person who has ever appeared in a university cricket match is notable. That is not the intention of WP:NCRICKET. jps (talk) 03:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, it is. Rightly or wrongly, that is currently the inclusion criteria for cricketers. Harrias ^talk 06:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• Keep, has played a first-class cricket match, therefore, meeting WP:NCRICKET - NickGibson3900 ^Talk 07:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep, has played a first-class cricket match, and therefore meets WP:NCRICKET. As an aside I have requested a discussion of a re-write of the WP:NCRICKET criteria to replace the phrase "major cricket match" with a more precise list. My initial note can be found on the Talk page of Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports). — Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CRIN. Johnlp (talk) 09:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep'. A somewhat heterodox astrophysicist, but, I think, a notable enough one to meet WP:ACADEMIC and WP:GNG. According to WorldCat, The cosmic serpent : a catastrophist view of earth history is held by 540 libraries worldwide, and The cosmic winter by 316. According to Google Scholar he has 5 publications with over 100 citations, all as first or second author out of two or three authors (so without the hugely multiple authorship common in e.g. particle physics). His research and theories have been the subject of significant coverage with multiple quotes from him in the Independent on Sunday (1994 open access), The Times (1990 NewsBank subscription or UK library card required), and The Sunday Times (1994 NewsBank subscription or UK library card required). There's also a short biography of him in the Dictionary of Minor Planet Names; I can only access the first couple of sentences, but they at least WP:verify his year of birth and that the cricketer and astrophysicist are the same person. Qwfp (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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