Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Onething conference

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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No assertion of notability or references. "References" section is just a collection of links to Christian websites, which fail to assert that this article is worthy of inclusion. SuaveArt (talk) 02:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

This page is only a day old. Still working on it, Please allow time for this article to be finished. This article has reason to exist, there are probably close to over 100,000 people a year that either attend or watch the onething conferences online. This section was marked for deletion because of all the references being Christian? its a Christian conference, the references are going to be Christian websites, magazines, news sources. Just because they're Christian-based doesn't automatically make them an unreliable third party source. -travisharger —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisharger (talk • contribs) 03:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll be adding more references in the following days...please hold out on making a decision until I have time to do so. Thanks -travisharger —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisharger (talk • contribs) 04:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Would the user that flagged this site prefer/wish that this page was merged with the International House of Prayer article? And believes that this page by itself is unnecessary? Originally i thought that it would be found listed as too much info on the IHOP page..so created a second article. -travisharger —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisharger (talk • contribs) 04:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - I think this conference is notable, not to mention the amount of people it draws alone makes it worthy of an article in my opinion. If Promise Keepers gets a wiki page, i don't see why this couldn't. I also could see this article merged with International House of Prayer as suggested, but agree that it might be better organized separate. Disagree with just deleting the article though.72.214.67.12 (talk) 14:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
• merge to Continual Prayer which needs to be expanded to cover more mentions of individual groups. This particular one is not so ONETHING is a part of a larger global movement known as “24-7 Prayer as to be appropriate for an individual article. DGG ( talk ) 17:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Comment I think i disagree with merging of the Onething page to Continual Prayer, I do think that article needs to be expanded upon, and might be good mentioning the conference along with it already speaking of IHOP.....but to merge the two doesn't seem right. If given time i can also help work on the continual prayer site, but i have other priorities first -Travisharger 22:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisharger (talk • contribs)

• currently i'm adding in-line citations to the International House of Prayer article....will add more references and inline citations to the Onething conference article right afterwards. This might take a few days because I have alot of real work to fit in between.Travisharger 16:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• Strong Delete No Verifiable, independent and reliable sources. This is a rerun of the prematurely closed Afd for IHOP . TravisHarger would be better engaged in sorting out International House of Prayer first which has shrunk quite considerably and which has significant notability issues and WP:V issues. Annette46 (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment I also highlight probable socking WP:SOCK from IP "72.214.67.12" which geolocates to Chesapeake VA where Travis Harger is located . He also did the same thing on the IHOP Afd by "voting" twice. Annette46 (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

not trying to butt in, but my IP address is: 72.218.20.128.....yes I am from chesapeake, VA.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisharger (talk • contribs) 22:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The IP range 72.192.0.0 - 72.223.255.255 is assigned to Chesapeake Cox Communications. "Dynamic IP address allocation". Oh so its the "it wasn't me it was the one-armed man" defence. Please sign your posts by postfixing 4 consecutive tildes (~) see WP:SIGN. Annette46 (talk) 03:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Can't see much coverage indicating notability - that is, independent coverage. It's the annual conference of some organisation. A lot or organisations have annual conferences. Very few of them are notable outside the organisation. Peridon (talk) 22:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
• Merge (after major hacking back) withInternational House of Prayer which only has two lines in it's article. Teapotgeorge^Talk 16:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)::I'd go with that - with this title as a redirect. Peridon (talk) 11:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

• Keep OneThing and IHOP are notable as defined by Wikipedia. Charisma Magazine, for example, identifies IHOP and its conferences as one of the key trends in Pentecostal Christianity over the last decade (see point number 6 at http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/25767-where-is-god-going-seven-spiritual-trends-of-the-00-decade), the recent death of one of the IHOP/OneThing leaders was covered widely (see http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&cf=all&ncl=dS6RmahxiIWgQRMIiVvYLOLGGvmJM), and the most recent OneThing conference was shown on television in many countries (see http://www.christiantoday.com/article/j.john.hillsong.delirious.and.more.on.god.tv.this.christmas/24951.htm) Glen Davis (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Being shown on television doesn't impress me - undoubtedly it was on channels associated with the religious views of the participants. Not independent. As to Charisma Magazine, "The official site of Charisma magazine provides news, analysis, prophetic commentary and teachings for charismatic and Pentecostal Christians" (Google blurb). Not independent. The coverage of the death of a leader of IHOP/OneThing is irrelevant. Who covered it, anyway? Places like those here? Peridon (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's amazing how magazines and television networks with an interest in Pentecostalism cover Pentecostal events. To say that they are not independent is flat-out wrong. Neither of these entities (God.tv or Charisma Magazine) has an organizational relationship to IHOP or OneThing. They merely share a common perspective - a perspective shared by over half a billion people. Charisma Magazine, in particular, is a reliable and independent publication for all the reasons given at http://en.wikipedia.orghttps://wikifreehand.com/en/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Charisma_(magazine). IHOP and OneThing are notable according to Wikipedia's standards. Glen Davis (talk) 17:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• Keep per the abundance of third party sources listed in the article. Do not merge with International House of Pancakes by any means. JBsupreme (talk) 23:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
• Keep A conference on the scale alleged is surely notable. The International House of Prayer is a one paragraph article that has had what ought to be a separate article on a Nigerian organisation imposed on it. This puts that article into an unacceptable condition. Merging with 24-7 Prayer (currently a redirect to Continual prayer -- which fails to mention either the Moravian Church at Hernhut, Germany or the recent "24-7 prayer" movement) would also be unsatisfactory. "24-7" ought to have its own article, not be a redirect to some 5th century history and Continual Prayer needs expansion to cover both it and the Moravians. I would welcome the creator expanding the presetn article, and providing better sources for it, as in-line references, citing for example coverage of it in the Christian media. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.