Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NFL in Toronto

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The result was delete per WP:CRYSTAL. KrakatoaKatie 00:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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Speculative blog entry, not an encyclopedia article. Every few years, Paul Godfrey does a lot of talking about it, but no serious proposals about an NFL team coming to Toronto have ever materialized, and as of 2007 is rather far fetched. In the context of Wikipedia the idea only deserves a mention in Godfrey/Toronto/NFL-related articles. heqs ·:. 20:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete WP:CRYSTAL one feels. Pedro |  Chat  20:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - It is crystal clear that the article fails WP:CRYSTAL. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 22:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Useight 23:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge Redirect title to Professional sport in Toronto Professional sport in Toronto#Football and take Second NHL team in Toronto created by same editor with it. Yes the article's tone appears as the author's analysis and could violate WP:CBALL. However, "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, provided that discussion is properly referenced. (emphasis mine). One such reference would be: . There are others. Canuckle 06:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: the references in the article confirm that as it stands, the idea is little more than excitement on Godfrey's behalf but is "still just a dream" "it would seem destined to remain just that -- a dream" "plenty of reason to doubt such a possibility" "little discernible progress". The reference you provided is extremely speculative and basically concludes that Canada may host a single game at some point, not a team. heqs ·:. 13:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. As you demonstrate notable people are having a public discussion, verified by reliable sources, about a topic that would have notable impact on professional sports business and infrastructure. "Hope" and "dream" yes but so is the idea Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state. Is there enough progress to justify a stand-alone article? I don't think so but that doesn't mean it has to disappear from Wikipedia entirely. I've added the verifiable parts to Professional sport in Toronto#Football. What do you think of Redirecting NFL in Toronto to that section? Canuckle 20:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
      • I see no reason to preserve the redirect; with relevant content now merged I still support delete. heqs ·:. 10:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Comment: You're opposed to redirecting the title? One reason might be that "Someone finds them useful." as in the advice not to delete redirects because "Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful — this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways." Wikipedia:Redirects#When should we delete a redirect.3F NFL in Toronto seems to me to be a likely search phrase used by a layman. Canuckle 20:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
• Merge .....with NFL or CFL or perhaps cultural imperialism. Eastbayway 16:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Maybe the correct title for the article is Football in Toronto. This can deal with both the Argos and any kind of NFL discussion. Kingjeff 13:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Such an article would cover the Toronto Argonauts, the International Bowl, the York Lions, Varsity Blues, and other amateur teams, not to mention touch on the 130+ year history of what became Canadian football in Toronto, including many dozens of Grey Cups and Vanier Cups held in the city, former Ontario Rugby Football Union teams, etc. The popularity of of the NFL/Buffalo Bills in the area might be included; the possibility of NFL games actually being played in the city would be a mere footnote. Such an article does not exist, and unless someone is prepared to write it at this time, the current article, NFL in Toronto, is up for deletion. heqs ·:. 14:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, As a (senior) resident of Toronto I agree that this is long-standing hype. The actual Toronto Olympic bid is redirected. In comparison, the subject of this page is not even an actual NFL bid. Verbose text without citations is also noted. If not delete, then pare and merge with the entry for Paul Godfrey. I concur fully with heqs. Pever 00:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.