Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyaw Zin Lwin

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The result was delete. As no evidence of significant coverage or playing in a fully professional league has been found. Davewild (talk) 07:26, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. Da Drewster (talk) 16:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose – He played in Myanmar National League, a fully pro league per this list. He is notable due to his goals at 2015 SEA Games. JackHoang (talk) 00:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@JackHoang: Do you have a source to confirm he's actually played in the national league? Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - Not notable. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 00:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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• Delete - Although he is on a team in a fully professional league he still hasn't played or made an appearance for them. Because of this he still fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da Drewster (talk • contribs) 01:29, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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• Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. MbahGondrong (talk) 09:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - per above. Could be re-created if subject meets WP:NFOOTY requirements. Inter&anthro (talk) 17:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Ye Ko Oo and Phạm Đức Huy should also be deleted due to the same criteria. Inter&anthro (talk) 21:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Both of them play in a fully professional league, so they are VERY NOTABLE. It's no use deleting these articles. JackHoang (talk) 13:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@JackHoang, Phạm Đức Huy is a member of Hanoi F.C., which is in V.League 2 (only V.League 1 is considered fully professional). And similarity to Kyaw Zin Lwin there is no source to affirm that Ye Ko Oo actually played for his club. Unfortunately taking part of the Football at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games does not guarantee notability. These articles of course can be recreated if in the future they meet the WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY requirements, but for now they do not. Inter&anthro (talk) 14:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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• Comment - article claims he plays in fully professional league appearing in WP:FPL. We know he's got U23 appearances, and so if he'd spent the last 3 years with a top-level Myanmar team, then one would assume he's got an appearance, and this is an easy keep. But we can't assume. It seems this is easily solved by digging out some match line-ups. But I've failed in about 10 minutes or so of finding ANY match line-ups for this league. Could someone provide some, or at least point to where they might be? Any language will do. Nfitz (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@User:Nfitz the club that the subject of this article plays for; Magway F.C., does have an official website here, but it is mostly in Burmese (which I am not fluent in). If anyone is fluent in Burmese and say that the website mentions Kyaw Zin Lwin as having played, then it could be used as a source to establish notability. Thanks. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Also if the subjects of these articles have taken part in a regional tournament such as the AFC Cup I believe it would make them pass WP:NFOOTY. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Possibly, if they played another team from a fully-professional league. But the league play seems like the slam dunk. If only there was some game reports somewhere. Nfitz (talk) 00:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. here is another website that seems to have match stats and reports but once again I'm not fluent. It would help a lot if some Burmese editors were part of the conversation as well. Inter&anthro (talk) 03:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I am tagging these Burmese editors if they have anything to add to this discussion: @Thihazaw88:, @Min Aung Naing:, @Aungthurahein:, @Yin May Lwin:, @Htoolwinmaung:, @Ekyaw:, @Ladybesttruthful:. Any contribution will be very welcome thank you. Inter&anthro (talk) 04:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Most Myanmar clubs do not have their own websites. Even if they do, the pages are not updated for ages. Sources are often not reliable. Therefore, we can only bridge certain info given on the MFF website to Wikipedia. Magway FC website, you mentioned has no info about Kyaw Zin Lwin. Again, web pages for MNL clubs are just for the sake of its existence, not for info. Here in this MFF official page, he is mentioned (in Burmese) as a Magway FC player. This is as far as I can go. (unsigned comment by User:Thihazaw88

Doesn't look like there's been any update on the club website in 3 years. I've searched (for far too long) for match reports in the league, without much success; I found a few odd summaries but only mentioning some goal scorers; ironically the only full match squad I've come across if for a youth league game a couple of years ago when he was 20; one might assume he's been with the main squad - but nothing clear one way or the other. The only possible suggestion that he's anything more than the youth league, is his shirt number is 12 for the main squad - but I can't even find a source for that beyond what's listed at Magway F.C.. I wonder if there is anything in the media packages for the 2015 Southeast Asian Games (I haven't searched). Also, what were these AFC matches? I haven't pursued. Nfitz (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

The AFC Cup and AFC Champions League are professional international competition, the former which often involves Burmese clubs. However if they did participate in such competitions thier stats would clearly show up on a website such as soccerway.com or nationalfootballteams.com. I did a quick search for both Kyaw Zin Lwin and Ye Ko Oo on both sites and only got a blank slate both times. It's looking less and less likely that these articles can pass WP:NFOOTY. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Less likely it will pass AFD, but a youth player 3 years until 22, a low shirt number, and featuring in a national U23 tourament (I assume the current SEA games are U23)? That smells of first team. If we could find match linesups, and he just didn't show, then he wouldn't meet WP:NFOOTY; but with not finding them at all ... my suspicion is that he likely does have first team appearances ... but suspicions count for squat here. Both User:Jogurney and User:Struway2 seem to have been good at finding oddball reports in the past. Do either of you have any insight? Nfitz (talk) 16:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:33, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
• Weak Delete - Probably notable per WP:NFOOTY, but really struggling to find confirmation of this, the comments above suggesting that he essentially probably has played for a team in a fully professional league are undoubtedly correct, but unfounded in the sources available to those not speaking Burmese. Fenix down (talk) 10:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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