Talk:Monique Ryan

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

• ... that Monique Ryan is classified as a "teal independent", as her politics blends the blue of the Liberal Party of Australia with Green politics? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/21/australia-election-conservative-government-voted-out-after-nearly-a-decade
  • ALT1: ... that Monique Ryan ran for parliament after seeing an advertisement in the newspaper calling for an independent candidate? Source: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/like-taking-on-bambi-the-children-s-doctor-aiming-to-unseat-the-treasurer-20211208-p59fqa.html
  • ALT2: ... that Monique Ryan was a paediatric neurologist before entering parliament? Source: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/like-taking-on-bambi-the-children-s-doctor-aiming-to-unseat-the-treasurer-20211208-p59fqa.html
  • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Self-nominated at 07:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Monique Ryan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Comment: I believe ALT0 is factually inaccurate. Is there another source that verifies this? ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 14:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
  • https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ap-liberal-party-malcolm-turnbull-australian-climate-b2082447.html makes that interpretation of the colour. GraziePrego (talk) 22:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Given the nationality of the subject (Australian), pinging either Schwede66 or DrThneed to ask if they are interested in reviewing given that they are both from New Zealand and have an interest in the politics of the region. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, sorry, whilst Oz is considered by some to be the westernmost island of New Zealand, I actually know zilch about their politics. You'll want an Australian for this I think! DrThneed (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Same with me. JennyOz, do you know how to review a DYK nomination? Schwede66 17:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Well Schwede no, I don't know how but happy to have a go (especially if you will answer any questions I will undoubtedly have). GraziePrego has been doing a great job on our politicians' articles.

But firstly, GMH, what is your concern with Alt0... that Ryan is considered as one of the Teal independents or that the name teal was derived from the blend of blue and green? JennyOz (talk) 11:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

That’s really nice of you to say, JennyOz :) thank you GraziePrego (talk) 12:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@JennyOz: My concern is with the "blue/green blend" phrase. I believe that is what commentators have said rather than the actual meaning behind the colour choice. I have no secondary sources that verify this but I did find this tweet. GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks GMH, Zali Steggall (the first (2019) to use teal as her campaign colour) said "I was always looking at what colour resonates with the electorate, and it was that mix of a policy platform that is blue and green, and it was apt for me being a moderate centrist politician very focused on climate and environmental outcomes..." The colour name and meaning then became "so-called" and now "a thing" since the 2022 election. More at SMH re "teal' being word of the year.

• Article is new enough, passed GA 8 January and nominated same day. Is long enough and is comprehensively well-sourced throughout with formatted reliable sources. Is neutral. Earwig gives one URL (apumone.com which I can't find mentioned at WP:RSN) at 62.5% 'possible' (but from iffy site per this factcheck) and content appears copied from Wikipedia. Other Earwig results are job titles, publications etc. I didn't detect any close paraphrasing. QPQ N/A, appears to be nominator's 3rd nomination.

• Hooks - All hook lengths are under 200 characters.

ALT0 - Hook is interesting though I think needs tweaking...

I can't access the link GMH offered but have read about a dozen RSs (kept a list if needed) that mention the teal meaning derivation. Whilst some mention the candidates have eg "economically conservative Liberal sensibilities" others talk of where they were contesting ie Liberal Party–held seats. And we know Ryan was formerly an ALP member so I don't think we can say "her politics" were partly Liberal Party.

Per the quote at ref 14 in article from Q+A when Ryan said "And that's why people such as myself, who are sensible centrists, have stepped into the middle, representing the values of traditional small-L liberals..." I'm pretty sure she's saying small-L liberal as in liberalism (people who are ideologically liberal but are not necessarily members of a political party named "Liberal") not as in Moderates (Liberal Party of Australia) as is linked. (I can't check though because the Qanda site no longer plays that episode's video nor loads its transcript.)

(Also in "as her politics blends the", should be singular 'blend' and "with Green politics" should have a lower case g.)

GraziePrego, I'm sure there is a teal-related hook to be had but not quite as currently worded. I'd be happy to help suggest tweaks to ALT0 teal hook if my concerns aren't clear:)

ALT1 is fine. Approve, is sourced and interesting. (Maybe even quirky.) JennyOz (talk) 11:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 is fine except "paediatric neurologist" is not directly mentioned in the given The Age reference and in article it only appears in ibox and lede. (I'm not suggesting it's wrong, obviously she was a neurologist at a children's hospital.) The specific term is definitely mentioned though in other RS refs eg current refs 12, 16, 29, so suggest one of those is copied to the two-word term in article if ALT2 is selected.

• This is my first review so would appreciate doublecheck please, especially on interpreting Earwig result. Schwede have I missed anything, done anything wrong? JennyOz (talk) 05:31, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I'm very happy for ALT1 to be used as the DYK. :) Your comments are absolutely right about ALT0 @JennyOz too, thank you for taking a look. GraziePrego (talk) 06:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Well that's easy! Thanks GraziePrego, goodonya! JennyOz (talk) 11:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks, JennyOz. I’m running a edit-a-thon until Sunday night and will be able to check Earwig on Monday. Bear with me. Schwede66 09:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
    • Schwede - no problem. GraziePrego has swapped to ALT1. I hope you have a fun and productive edit-a-thon. JennyOz (talk) 11:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)