Talk:Hamo (dean of York)

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A fact from Hamo (dean of York) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 February 2015 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that the dispute over Hamo's appointment as treasurer of York was resolved when his opponent gave him a church instead? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2015/February.

Template:Did you know nominations/Hamo (Dean of York) - Ealdgyth - Talk 16:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• book
• T&F article

-- Ealdgyth (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hamo (dean of York)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Serial Number 54129 (talk · contribs) 17:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

And, again SN54129 17:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   Couple of tricky sentences noted below, but we're not looking for "refreshing, brilliant prose" so they needn't impact the article as a whole.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

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   For the BHO refs, I'd suggest using the minimal page numbers they give, e.g. pp.40-43 for Archdeacons/East Riding.

   C. It contains no original research:

   Earwig (couple of nouns only) and no google hits.

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   Pass or Fail:

Usual non-binding suggestions for future advancement...

• Out of curiosity, why do you title him Archdeacon of East Riding rather than Archdeacon of the East Riding, our page's title?
  • Source: here Ealdgyth (talk) 21:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
• "he was last attested as holding his last office, dean" -- suggest "final office", per repetition.
• Link Husthwaite.
• Likewise Precentor.
• Do we know why Hamo claimed to have held the Treasureship if he didn't? What's the context?
  • No clue. Just that it happened. Yeah, it's odd, but no clue on why. Welcome to the high middle ages, where things don't HAVE to make sense... or be explained. Ealdgyth (talk) 22:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
• Perhaps "this office" instead of the second treasurership.
• "an office he held along with the Archdeaconry of East Riding, a combination of offices that had occurred for over 100 years" -- bit complicated this and the next sentence. I'd suggest something like, "an office he held along with the Archdeaconry of East Riding, as the two had been combined for over 100 years"
• "Hamo was the final treasurer to hold the East Riding alongside the treasurership, being last-named in the office in 1216"
• "Hamo may have been " --He; "but had certainly been appointed by 1 March 18, when his presence is first documented".
• Is sacrist a Sacristan?
• King John of England -- King John?
• It might be tangential, but perhaps a brief explanatory note on why he might have had a son—to the modern Christian, an (officially, anyway...) unheard-of thing!—but back then, less so. Have a look at note #4 where I dealt with something similar (if slightly later).
  SN54129 16:14, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

• • I think I got all of the above - I replied inline where appropriate. Ealdgyth (talk) 22:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

    Looks good, passing. SN54129 14:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)