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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it.
The result was to delete the image.
As stated in the image summary, "as universities uniformly copyright the content of their applications, or at the very least have no incentive to release their applications under a free license, no free-use image is available. Further, the image is extremely relevant to the article, and in fact is the article's subject." JDoorjam JDiscourse 15:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think we need an actual copyrighted application...a Wikipedian could create an example application under a free license. Kelly hi! 15:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- That a Wikipedian could do such a thing could be argued about every single fair-use image in the project. Surely you're not advocating the mass deletion of all fair use images on Wikipedia on the grounds that an amateur imitation could hypothetically be created?
- Further, even if you are arguing on those grounds, there is no way to replace this image with user-generated content in a manner that would be as illustrative as the original without being either original research or further fair use (i.e., using content from an existing application or applications). Any such simulated application would be heavily influenced by the biases of its creator, and would be an amalgamation of primary sources to which the creator had been exposed. Even the use of secondary sources describing what appears on college applications would result in a highly subjective image that wold not be changeable by later Wikipedians -- in short, adding content that is uneditable, subjective, and originally generated. This is a bad idea.
- This single use of a fair-use image in an article directly pertaining to the image's content benefits the project, and its replacement would be difficult from the perspective of several of our core policies. I understand and appreciate the desire to remove fair-use images from the project where their use is unwarranted; however, that is not the case here. JDoorjam JDiscourse 23:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- I understand where you're coming from, but WP:NFCC#1 covers pretty much exactly this situation. However, it is unlikely that anyone will contribute or create a free equivalent if a non-free version exists on the article. As an alternative to creating a new version, would it be possible to use an old image that has fallen into the public domain? (It wouldn't have to be that old - anything published in the U.S. without a copyright notice prior to 1978 is {{PD-Pre1978}}.) Or perhaps another public domain type of image, like an application for one of the Federal military academies, which would fall under {{PD-USGov}}? Kelly hi! 23:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.