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The new flag has had it's colors changed. What's with the new blue? I don't think that it's the official color of the official flag. Citikiwi 04:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The colors we had were from a website, that in many cases, got the colors of the flag wrong. The book I got the new colors from is published by the Malaysia Government. If you have other government sources saying to use other colors, please tell me so I can correct it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Not so bright, here is the search result: --Aleenf1 15:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

My source was ; it seems the both of us are using official government sources. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Not that you guys are horribly wrong but I have NEVER seen the blue on the flag so bright, it has always been a rather dark blue. That website even says "The canton of dark blue in the upper quarter". The flag was based on British colors, which is a darker blue than the file you've got there. Citikiwi 01:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I do own a Malaysia flag, made in Penang, and I agree the shade of blue is darker on the flag that I own. However, these are the colors that was given to me from a Government handbook, so I do not know what else to say other than I am sorry. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you please change it so that it's darker? Very very much appreciated. Citikiwi 06:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Then it won't match what was published by the Government. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I found it odd the Government hasn't made any obvious announcement regarding any changes on the flag (i.e. on newspapers or websites). I have to doubt the correctness of flag colors in both their handbook and website, seeing how they have been screwing up a lot as of late. Perhaps an e-mail to them would help clear things up? - Two hundred percent 07:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, after a bit of research, there are no flags or insignia of Malaysia that shade of blue, it's either dark or very light blue. The Malaysian flag is NOT that light and why it can't be changed back is just procrastination! Citikiwi 04:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Show me a source from the government that tells me what colors to use for the flag. Until then, it is not being changed. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find any government pages that explicitly state the shade of blue, but I have done some research as to why it is NAVY over BLUE:

• Malaysia based it's flag from that of the East India Company, or the American flag which both used a darker blue
• All previous flags of Malaya & North Borneo had a darker blue
• Malaysia, being a colony of the British Empire inherited the British flag's design, as did most colonies and realms
• All states of Malaysia use a dark blue in their state flags (except for those with a deliberate light blue) See: Johor, File:Flag of Malacca Malacca, Perlis, Sabah
• After a lengthy search of Malaysian flags, the vast majority of them are a darker blue
• I also own a Malaysian flag which is a darker blue
• You show ME why the Malaysian flag should be that shade of blue, it seems the majority disagree with your color. Citikiwi 05:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• • Since you asked: the book I was citing to was published by the Jabatan Penerangan Malaysia, which should be in English the Ministry of Information. The book was published in 2005 and it has all details about the national symbolics. In that book, which you can download here for free, is a detailed book by the Malaysia Government describing and defining the national symbols of the country. This includes the various laws, practices and protocol on the topics. With the national flag, they include all of the do's and dont's with the flag, how and when to use the flag and the technical makeup of the flag. This technical makeup is called the construction sheet. Many of these sheets include what color shades to use. In the case of this flag, below the instructions on how to make the canton, it includes what colors to make the flag. In our case, it is put in the CMYK format, which I am able to draw in using Inkscape. Since I do not speak Malay, I asked a Malay friend off Wikipedia to figure out what the colors are. So, once I got that request, I put in the colors described in that text using Inkscape and I uploaded my results. The change from the previous colors are not an accident; the previous site we used for the colors is turning out to be not correct. Vexillia-Mundai, a Dutch site, has colors in both Pantone and RGB, which makes it easy for us to draw. The problem with his site is that his sources are never cited and many of the times, wrong. Examples I know where he got it wrong is with Canada, Mexico, Lithuania, among a few. Now that I have a government book, recently published, telling me what colors to use, I decided to use the word of the government over those websites that do not cite their sources. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It isn't it odd that the cover of that book has the navy-colored Malaysian flag instead of light blue? We should replace that blue. __earth ^(Talk) 08:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

And so does the flag int he corner of the books, but I don't know if they have a different set of colors used for printing in books, on actual flags, etc. Unknowingly, I personally believe now they gave out the colors that are supposed to be used on screens. Since the book only gave out CMYK, that is the color set I used. We have a similar issue with the Canadian flag, which has different color schemes depending on what you are doing. But I have no plans on changing the flag colors. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, do check the Malaysian flag at the World Factbook published by the CIA. And er, I think most of those that question the color change here are Malaysians. __earth ^(Talk) 08:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The CIA factbook also errors on flags. (as you can tell, I am not Malaysian). However, switching out to the PNG image wasn't the best move, since that will just cause more for bots, etc. Anyways, about 10 minutes after I posted, I found out my assumption was correct. Using the Malay term for the flag, I have located a page run by the National Treasury. What they listed is the way the flag must be manufactured for real life use; which they use Pantone. On that document, it gives the follow Pantone shades for the colors: 485 Red, 286 Blue and 109 for Gold. This makes all of the colors darker, including the blue yall asked for (I still wonder why the blue is the main issue, not the other colors; just like with the Italians, why the white and not the others, but I will just never know). So, I put the Pantone shades into Adobe Photoshop and it came out as a darker shade. And since this is a website connected with the Government of Malaysia, I accept this as a source. (I do this for a living, so you can see why I want sources from the goverment). The source page is at http://www.treasury.gov.my/view.php?ch=34&pg=121&ac=87&fname=attachment&dbIndex=0 I have not uploaded the colors yet, but I have them saved and I can change the SVG image in about 5-10 minutes. How does that sound? (that is exactly what I was looking for when I asked for other sources) User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it's up now (well, for almost an hour). How does it look? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the flags I see in real-life. - Two hundred percent 10:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup. I think all should be happy with the current edition. Thanks Zscout! __earth ^(Talk) 10:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome (and makes a mental note). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I like the new color, good stuff guys Citikiwi 03:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Glad this nightmare is over. Anyways, I posted my act of penance on Earth's talk page. Other than the colors, I modified the flag canton just a bit to comply with the sheet. I had to shift the star over a little bit and make the crescent ends a little bit more sharp. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Fine by me Citikiwi 21:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the SVG source, I found that the star and crescent are currently not accurate. Here is the correct version, according to the construction sheet:

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<rect fill="#dc241f" width="28" height="14"/>
<path stroke="#fff" fill="none" d="M0,1.5h28m0,2h-28m0,2h28m0,2h-28m0,2h28m0,2h-28m0,2h28"/>
<rect fill="#0035ad" width="14" height="8"/>
<circle fill="#ffd100" cx="5.75" cy="4" r="3"/>
<circle fill="#0035ad" cx="6.5" cy="4" r="2.667"/>
<polygon fill="#ffd100" transform="translate(8.75,4)" points="0,2.5 0.223,0.975 1.085,2.252 0.623,0.782 1.955,1.559 0.901,0.434 2.437,0.556 1,0 2.437,-0.556 0.901,-0.434 1.955,-1.559 0.623,-0.782 1.085,-2.252 0.223,-0.975 0,-2.5 -0.223,-0.975 -1.085,-2.252 -0.623,-0.782 -1.955,-1.559 -0.901,-0.434 -2.437,-0.556 -1,0 -2.437,0.556 -0.901,0.434 -1.955,1.559 -0.623,0.782 -1.085,2.252 -0.223,0.975"/>
</svg>

Since I don't have an account, maybe someone could care to upload --77.3.233.94 (talk) 07:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)